wake up libs

when will this madness end? can any obama supporter give me ONE valid reason why they are voting for him?? without mentioning change? he wants to get rid of the need for oil within 10 years?? do you realize how many products are made from oil? you libs wouldn't be able to drive your overpriced hybrids if there wasnt oil which is needed for APHALT. just to name one...

none of his ideas are new. its called socialism, and its never worked, read a history book.

you clearly dont know what youre talking about, and it sounds like youre just here as a troll.

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sealybobo thinks im a racist right winger. RGS thinks im a braindead liberal. I wonder which one I am?

the best view is from the middle

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other” Oscar Ameringer

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." James Madison

i dont know what i'm talking about? you can site some quotes, wow that is earth shattering. why dont you educate me then? so what do you want to do destroy all government?

So apparently you have no reason to like him? Why not just provide the reasons and dispense with the name calling...his points are valid enough to be addressed.

I've never heard anyone say why they like him, either. All I've heard is that if anyone DOESN'T like him it's because he's black.

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A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Thomas Jefferson

his points are valid? he comes in here and says stuff while providing no sources to back up what he says. see the bolded latin in my sig?

if he wanted to debate he would give some sources. but i guess youre right, i dont like him, because he looks like a troll. (thats not simple name calling, it is a descriptive term for people who write inflammatory posts on a message board). he can prove me wrong. the only reason you support him is because you like what he says

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sealybobo thinks im a racist right winger. RGS thinks im a braindead liberal. I wonder which one I am?

the best view is from the middle

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other” Oscar Ameringer

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." James Madison

what quotes did i site? the burden of proof is on you. so back up what you said

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sealybobo thinks im a racist right winger. RGS thinks im a braindead liberal. I wonder which one I am?

the best view is from the middle

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other” Oscar Ameringer

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." James Madison

And you still haven't given one reason for voting for Obama. I don't think his post is inflammatory at all. You think it's inflammatory because it makes you uncomfortable. But asking uncomfortable questions that you can't answer doesn't make him a troll.

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A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Thomas Jefferson

im undecided, which i have said before. so i cant say why i'm voting for him, because i dont know if i am.

makes me uncomfortable, huh? if you believe what he wrote is true, you need to do some serious research (savage's website doesnt count). here, ill even help.

how is it inflammatory? because he is posting things without proof which are obviously meant to upset obama's supporters. THAT makes him a troll. deny it all you like, though, i know you will.

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sealybobo thinks im a racist right winger. RGS thinks im a braindead liberal. I wonder which one I am?

the best view is from the middle

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other” Oscar Ameringer

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." James Madison

Obama, Democrats & Creeping Socialism in the U.S.
"During his NAACP speech earlier this month, Sen. Obama repeated the term at least four times. "I've been working my entire adult life to help build an America where economic justice is being served," he said at the group's 99th annual convention in Cincinnati.

Democrat Barack Obama arrives in Washington on Monday. On the campaign trail, Obama has styled himself a centrist. But a look at those who've served as his advisers and mentors over the years shows a far more left-leaning tilt to his background - and to his politics.

And as president, "we'll ensure that economic justice is served," he asserted. "That's what this election is about." Obama never spelled out the meaning of the term, but he didn't have to. His audience knew what he meant, judging from its thumping approval.

It's the rest of the public that remains in the dark, which is why we're launching this special educational series.

"Economic justice" simply means punishing the successful and redistributing their wealth by government fiat. It's a euphemism for socialism."

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" Following this discredited Marxist model, he believes government must step in and redistribute pieces of the pie. That requires massive transfers of wealth through government taxing and spending, a return to the entitlement days of old.

Of course, Obama is too smart to try to smuggle such hoary collectivist garbage through the front door. He's disguising the wealth transfers as "investments" - "to make America more competitive," he says, or "that give us a fighting chance," whatever that means.

Among his proposed "investments":
"Universal," "guaranteed" health care.
"Free" college tuition.
"Universal national service" (a la Havana).
"Universal 401(k)s" (in which the government would match contributions made by "low- and moderate-income families").
"Free" job training (even for criminals).
"Wage insurance" (to supplement dislocated union workers' old income levels).
"Free" child care and "universal" preschool.
More subsidized public housing.
A fatter earned income tax credit for "working poor."
And even a Global Poverty Act that amounts to a Marshall Plan for the Third World, first and foremost Africa. "

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A wise and frugal government, which shall leave men free to regulate their own pursuits of industry and improvement, and shall not take from the mouth of labor the bread it has earned - this is the sum of good government.
Thomas Jefferson

wow, you can post an opinion article, which you complain about when other people do that. and guess what? come closer. closer. UNDER BUSH AND THE REPUBLICAN CONGRESS THE WEALTHY STILL HAD HIGHER TAX RATES THAN THE POOR. the article is complaining about little more than the wealthy having higher taxes, and that has existed under libs and cons. try again to show these sweeping changes obama will implement to turn us all into the evil socialists. free college? when was that said? universal coverage? you mean his plan to allow everyone to afford insurance, where the hospitals would still be private? job training for criminals? you mean rehabbing them instead of having the revolving door prison system or simply killing them off or locking them up forever (which is expensive?) not worth my time to refute every little point

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sealybobo thinks im a racist right winger. RGS thinks im a braindead liberal. I wonder which one I am?

the best view is from the middle

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other” Oscar Ameringer

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." James Madison

I don't like him because of his lack of experience in government and military institutions. I also don't like him because he is never clear about anything, often dodging tough questions, giving half-assed answers on other ones, which basically leaves me and everyone else confused as to what his plans actually are. All this is the result of inexperience.

Can you refute any of this?

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"Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education."

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

Aside from you idiots being wrong about everything for the last 7 1/2 years?

Two words... Supreme Court....

Three more words... "rabid religious right"

Blah blah blah blah blah blah... right wing talking points... blah blah blah blah blah blah....

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"Trust none of what you hear And less of what you see" Springsteen

When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.

Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi was the world's most unhinged lunatic. He's now dead. So that moves Ann Coulter up to first place - David Letterman

O, when she is angry she is keen and shrewd; / She was a vixen when she went to school, / And though she be but little, she is fierce. — Shakespeare

He's still smarter than the shrub....

and we all know about Bush's "military experience"... so get a grip.

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"Trust none of what you hear And less of what you see" Springsteen

When the Founding Fathers protected our right to free speech, I think that meant we were supposed to use it.

Abu Musab Al-Zarqawi was the world's most unhinged lunatic. He's now dead. So that moves Ann Coulter up to first place - David Letterman

O, when she is angry she is keen and shrewd; / She was a vixen when she went to school, / And though she be but little, she is fierce. — Shakespeare

Way to refute anything I just said.

Face it - Obama is inexperienced, is confusing on the issues, and has perhaps the ugliest background a presidential candidate can have with all his connections. He is also naive with his diplomatic "solutions" and his war policies. He obviously has no idea what he is doing, besides reading off note cards his campaign writes for him.

And I am not talking about Bush, I am talking about McCain. This forum is "Elections 2008."

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"Democracy cannot succeed unless those who express their choice are prepared to choose wisely. The real safeguard of democracy, therefore, is education."

- Franklin D. Roosevelt

trying to pick a fight with me, eh?

anyways, i wont refute them because they arent rediculous, obviously false, sweeping claims like the OP made. and btw, the never clear thing is the same reason why i am not a fan of his. to say it is the result of inexperience isnt true, because most politicans are vague in their answers (some can say nothing but make it sound like they said something a lot better than obama, though)

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sealybobo thinks im a racist right winger. RGS thinks im a braindead liberal. I wonder which one I am?

the best view is from the middle

“Those who are too smart to engage in politics are punished by being governed by those who are dumber.” Plato

“Politics is the gentle art of getting votes from the poor and campaign funds from the rich by promising to protect each from the other” Oscar Ameringer

"I believe there are more instances of the abridgement of freedom of the people by gradual and silent encroachments by those in power than by violent and sudden usurpations. ... The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home." James Madison