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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunny Shut up, fool. WTF? You'd be slobbering at the mouth repeating "flip-flopper" every-other-post if this had been a Republican.
Obama got hammered for his ignorant stance and started some damage control pandering. He isn't willing to compromise his belief to help America. He's compromising his integrity for some votes. Shut up, fool?
Never!
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kirk Shut up, fool?
Never!
Obama is smart enough to do what the people want. Unlike our current president who believes on Wednesday what he believed on Monday, regardless of what happened on Tuesday. So I won't find any posts by you calling MCcain a flip flopper right?
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Quote: Originally Posted by jreeves So I won't find any posts by you calling MCcain a flip flopper right? I don't believe so.
I really think the flip flopping charge is pretty bogus. People should be able to change their minds.
I like John McCain. I just don't like how he has sold out. His "agents of intolerence" speech was one of the great moments in American political history. | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kirk There's this thing called conserving energy....
Nevermind, let's just give Exxon more money. You're on record saying you're for offshore drilling.
Korky's a flip flopper too, just like the candidate he supports!
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Rep Power: 444 | | Quote: ST. PETERSBURG — Long an opponent of offshore drilling, Sen. Barack Obama offered encouraging words for a bipartisan energy plan that would permit oil drilling within 50 miles of Florida's west coast. Quote: Florida would have no say over the matter because Senate advocates think the eastern Gulf of Mexico offers the best chance to get more oil and natural gas to market quickly. Considering new energy plan, Obama softens stance on drilling - St. Petersburg Times
I will not vote for this man and I am really disturbed that so many people that unquestionably followed our government into an unneeded war are now unquestionably following our government into unneeded despoiling of our states.
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Rep Power: 161 | | | So he recognizes that he's got to pay off the Republicans if he's going to get a comprehensive energy policy.
Let's remember, shall we, that Congress took vacation without doing something that really needs to be done immediately.
The Republicans (enought of them, not all of them) voted AGAINST helping people this year who are going to freeze if they don't get help with their heating bills. Yeah, that's right folks, these selfish bastards voted to let people freeze to death unless they got their offshore drilling.
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Rep Power: 89 | | I am working on the solution to all these issues, I call it Plowing. More to follow.
Drilling is like giving a drug addict more heroin. It would provide little down the road and is shortsighted. Plenty of oil out there, get a competitive market that has other choices and the speculators will come back to earth. Why ruin what beauty there is to drive your SUV to a remote suburb where you sit at a TV or computer when you could be out in the world staring at the clouds and seeing them not smog.
"First, let’s examine the claim that more drilling can lower gasoline prices. Between 1999 and 2007, permits for drilling in onshore and offshore public lands “increased by more than 361 percent, yet gasoline prices have also risen dramatically,” the House Natural Resources Committee reported in a new analysis. “There is simply no correlation between the two."" Dear 44: Drilling only benefits Big Oil - Daniel J. Weiss - Politico.com
Even the conservative US News and World Report agrees, ruining our home is a bad idea. Arctic Drilling Wouldn't Cool High Oil Prices - US News and World Report | 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kirk Shut up, fool?
Never!
Obama is smart enough to do what the people want. Unlike our current president who believes on Wednesday what he believed on Monday, regardless of what happened on Tuesday. No, he really is NOT that smart or he wouldn't be pushing his riduclous socialist economic plan and allowing 85% of our energy reserves to sit untapped in the ground.
His beliefs haven't changed. Just the knowledge that those beliefs will lose votes, so they get pigeonholed.
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Quote: Originally Posted by editec So he recognizes that he's got to pay off the Republicans if he's going to get a comprehensive energy policy.
Let's remember, shall we, that Congress took vacation without doing something that really needs to be done immediately.
The Republicans (enought of them, not all of them) voted AGAINST helping people this year who are going to freeze if they don't get help with their heating bills. Yeah, that's right folks, these selfish bastards voted to let people freeze to death unless they got their offshore drilling.
Obama is recognizing that that propensity to screw the people isn't going to go away after he takes office, and that he's going to have to give something to the oiliocracy to get something he considers more important.
I doubt he's recognized he's got to pay off anyone for anything but votes. His economic and energy plans are novice and unrealistic at best.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunny No, he really is NOT that smart or he wouldn't be pushing his riduclous socialist economic plan and allowing 85% of our energy reserves to sit untapped in the ground.
His beliefs haven't changed. Just the knowledge that those beliefs will lose votes, so they get pigeonholed. Nothing too extremist there, eh?
Now... if you weren't telling people to stfu, perhaps I'd say that I don't think there should be any consideration of offshore drilling and I disagree. I certainly think Obama beats McCain either way.
On the other hand, in the world of flip flops, I suppose it depends on what gores your ox,,,,
you couldn't care less about this, so it really shouldn't bother you at all. And that's true for most people.
On the other hand, flip flopping on torture... flip flopping on Bush's tax cuts.... flip flopping on the rabid religious right's agenda....
hmmmmmmm.... which candidate is more offensive?
McCain ultimately can't compete in any area of substance, so you guys are getting desperate.....
Why else do you think Karl Rove is now an "unofficial advisor" (Mac didn't even have the cojones to say that the guy who push polled him out of the 2000 race is handling the dirty stuff this time around).
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Quote: Originally Posted by midcan5 I am working on the solution to all these issues, I call it Plowing. More to follow.
Drilling is like giving a drug addict more heroin. It would provide little down the road and is shortsighted. Plenty of oil out there, get a competitive market that has other choices and the speculators will come back to earth. Why ruin what beauty there is to drive your SUV to a remote suburb where you sit at a TV or computer when you could be out in the world staring at the clouds and seeing them not smog.
"First, let’s examine the claim that more drilling can lower gasoline prices. Between 1999 and 2007, permits for drilling in onshore and offshore public lands “increased by more than 361 percent, yet gasoline prices have also risen dramatically,” the House Natural Resources Committee reported in a new analysis. “There is simply no correlation between the two."" Dear 44: Drilling only benefits Big Oil - Daniel J. Weiss - Politico.com
Even the conservative US News and World Report agrees, ruining our home is a bad idea. Arctic Drilling Wouldn't Cool High Oil Prices - US News and World Report That argument is lame. Always has been. Now that the rubber is meeting the road, the peeps seem to be voicing their opinions on the matter.
We need oil. This nation, and the world comes to a standstill without it. Not all that complicated a concept really.
We need a viable alternate energy source that will remove our dependence on fossil fuels. That's not complicated either.
We need to pursue BOTH. Best case scenario it'll take 20-30 years to ween off of oil onto an alternative source of energy. This "flip a switch" and FORCE people to change cold turkey is unrealistic, and it would destroy this nation and or the entire world as we know it.
The argument that this drilling or that drilling wouldn't produce anything for 10 years, or wouldn't produce enough to make a difference is just as lame. Had we started drilling the FIRST time that lameazoid excuse was used we'd be pumping it already.
Then there's the fact we used to lead the world in oil production. We no longer do, yet 85% of our resources remain untapped. That's right ... LAME-O again.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Gunny I doubt he's recognized he's got to pay off anyone for anything but votes. His economic and energy plans are novice and unrealistic at best. Republicans always say alternative energy is "unrealistic." Meanwhile countries with better leadership than our move forward and prove that to be completely untrue.
Energy is all around us. Getting screwed by Big Oil, that's your energy plan.
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Quote: Originally Posted by jillian ...
McCain ultimately can't compete in any area of substance ...
"In recent days I have set before the American people an energy plan, the Lexington Project -- named for the town where Americans asserted their independence once before. And let it begin today with this commitment: In a world of hostile and unstable suppliers of oil, this nation will achieve strategic independence by 2025."
John McCain, June 25, 2008
Read the entire speech... John McCain 2008 - John McCain for President
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Quote: Originally Posted by Glori.B
"In recent days I have set before the American people an energy plan, the Lexington Project -- named for the town where Americans asserted their independence once before. And let it begin today with this commitment: In a world of hostile and unstable suppliers of oil, this nation will achieve strategic independence by 2025."
John McCain, June 25, 2008
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