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Old 07-28-2008, 12:31 PM
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they are not "just" paid representatives of the people. They are paid representatives of corporations. Where do you think the money comes from to pay a lobbyist 800k a year and another mil for "business" expenses?
Isn't it funny they want to downplay the harm lobbyists do to the system but then say trial lawyers are ruining the country?
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Isn't it funny they want to downplay the harm lobbyists do to the system but then say trial lawyers are ruining the country?
Do you think trial lawyers are good, and that lobbyists are ruining this country?



Personally, I think they both can serve their purpose. This country needs trial lawyers to hold corporations, doctors, ect.. responsible for their actions. This country also needs lobbyists to make sure the voices of the people are heard by paying off politicians.

Both also have major downsides, which are quite obvious.
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Do you think trial lawyers are good, and that lobbyists are ruining this country?



Personally, I think they both can serve their purpose. This country needs trial lawyers to hold corporations, doctors, ect.. responsible for their actions. This country also needs lobbyists to make sure the voices of the people are heard by paying off politicians.

Both also have major downsides, which are quite obvious.
I don't think we need lobbyists to make sure that our voices are heard. They are distracting our politicians with $ so our phone calls and emails go unnoticed. Who are you going to answer to, the guy who calls crying about a bill, or a lobbyist that comes to see you with a briefcase full of money?

Hey, I thought of another reason I am voting for McCain. His wife is hot. Even though she is a thief and a drug addict.

The addiction progressed to the point where she resorted to stealing drugs from her own AVMT. During 1992, Tom Gosinski, the director of government and international affairs for AVMT, discovered her drug theft.


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I don't think we need lobbyists to make sure that our voices are heard. They are distracting our politicians with $ so our phone calls and emails go unnoticed. Who are you going to answer to, the guy who calls crying about a bill, or a lobbyist that comes to see you with a briefcase full of money?

Hey, I thought of another reason I am voting for McCain. His wife is hot. Even though she is a thief and a drug addict.

The addiction progressed to the point where she resorted to stealing drugs from her own AVMT. During 1992, Tom Gosinski, the director of government and international affairs for AVMT, discovered her drug theft.


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Sealy, that was horribly uncalled for. I feel like if you or any of your friends have ever gone through the hell that is drug addiction, then you would have never thought of making that comment. Cindy may have been a thief and addict, but she is no longer and deserves none of those labels. My best friend from childhood became addicted to oxycotin and from a helpless distance, I watched him spiral down from the top of his class to rehab and now prison. My roommate from freshman year in college developed a cocaine addiction that led to him getting beat up by dealers, arrested by the police, and disowned by his family.

Drugs like oxycotin and cocaine are terrible when given to people with mental issues, usually early childhood trauma. The addiction will turn a loved one into a criminal, and there's almost nothing the addict can do to overcome their fixation. Will power stops at the door of addiction.
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Sealy, that was horribly uncalled for. I feel like if you or any of your friends have ever gone through the hell that is drug addiction, then you would have never thought of making that comment. Cindy may have been a thief and addict, but she is no longer and deserves none of those labels. My best friend from childhood became addicted to oxycotin and from a helpless distance, I watched him spiral down from the top of his class to rehab and now prison. My roommate from freshman year in college developed a cocaine addiction that led to him getting beat up by dealers, arrested by the police, and disowned by his family.

Drugs like oxycotin and cocaine are terrible when given to people with mental issues, usually early childhood trauma. The addiction will turn a loved one into a criminal, and there's almost nothing the addict can do to overcome their fixation. Will power stops at the door of addiction.
Can you imagine how the right would use this if it were Michelle Obama that stole for drugs?

Note this. Rush Limbaugh in the mid 90's said this, well before he was busted for having illegal oxycotton:

"we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo View Post
Can you imagine how the right would use this if it were Michelle Obama that stole for drugs?

Note this. Rush Limbaugh in the mid 90's said this, well before he was busted for having illegal oxycotton:

"we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."
How the right would use it? You mean like how YOU used it? That would be terrible.
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Can you imagine how the right would use this if it were Michelle Obama that stole for drugs?

Note this. Rush Limbaugh in the mid 90's said this, well before he was busted for having illegal oxycotton:

"we have laws against selling drugs, pushing drugs, using drugs, importing drugs. And the laws are good because we know what happens to people in societies and neighborhoods which become consumed by them. And so if people are violating the law by doing drugs, they ought to be accused and they ought to be convicted and they ought to be sent up."
You are correct. If Michelle Obama had forged prescriptions in the names of her employees to buy drugs, Rush would go ballistic. But because Cindy McCain is white and blonde, she gets a free pass.
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LOL to #5, I turned on the radio today and there was RUSH, bitching and moaing about McCain, yeah he really loves him.
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That's just silly.
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Thanks for all the comments, I have revised them. I do agree that if the tables were turned and Obama had McSame and wife's history, it would be everywhere in every way. It's why we have a fool for president now.
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I Believe his exact words were something like "if we had a real cadidate instead of an inept Liberal mascarading as a conservative I would have reason to be happy"

Can't tell you what else he said, because I can't stand to listen to the pompus ass for more than 30 seconds at a time. But my point stands, Rush does not "love" McCain, he just hates Obama. I never listen to Savage but I would guess he is about the same. Most Conservatives are hardly in Love with John McCain. Certainly nothing like the Liberal love affair with Obama.
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Lobbyist reports show $181,000 for McCain
Obama receives $6,000 but aides insist such contributions will be returned

NYT: Lobbyists give $181,000 to McCain - The New York Times - MSNBC.com
Wtf are you spouting now, I was talking to Kirk about Mccain's VP selection. Dude seek some help please what does lobbyist have to do with a VP selection?
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo View Post
Lobbyist reports show $181,000 for McCain
Obama receives $6,000 but aides insist such contributions will be returned

NYT: Lobbyists give $181,000 to McCain - The New York Times - MSNBC.com
BTW twidledum....
Assignment Desk: Edwards, Obama, and lobbyist money
At YearlyKos, John Edwards and Barack Obama sought to distinguish themselves from Hillary Clinton by saying they didn’t take money from registered lobbyists, and Clinton was booed for defending herself. (Also: Franke-Ruta.)

I found this curious: after all, Obama and Edwards showed up at the national convention of the lobbying group for the trial lawyers, the former Association of Trial Lawyers of America (who now call themselves the American Association of Justice). There, they gave speeches (as did Clinton, Biden, and Richardson). A look at the largest donors for Obama and especially Edwards shows a disproportionate number of active members of that lobbying group. Indeed, John Edwards’s finance chairman is Fred Baron, the former president of ATLA. If Obama and Edwards want voters to believe that Clinton is influenced by lobbyist money, what should we think about these two candidates’ debts to trial lawyers? Are we to believe that the critical difference is the lobbyist registration papers, at which point money becomes tainted and dirty? Are any reporters going to ask that hard question, or will they let the two candidates demagogue from the high ground as they take millions from the most pernicious special interest group in America?
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Quote: Originally Posted by sealybobo View Post
Lobbyist reports show $181,000 for McCain
Obama receives $6,000 but aides insist such contributions will be returned

NYT: Lobbyists give $181,000 to McCain - The New York Times - MSNBC.com
Futhermore....


Barack Obama has lobbyist-bundlers. He doesn't really admit it but ... he does. Here at Redstate, we are going to introduce you to these people. The press doesn't want you to know that these people exist, but we have ways of getting around the press.

The first one that we will introduce you to is Jim Johnson. Mr. Johnson was a lobbyist, US representative of a former African prime minister, former CEO of Fannie Mae, business partner with former Clinton UN Ambassador Richard Holbrooke, and other things. Read on.

Mr. Johnson was a former CEO of Fannie Mae, who has promised to raise Obama between $100k and $200k. Johnson left in 1998. That wasn't a good year for Fannie Mae, according to the Post:


An Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight report in September accused the company of improperly deferring $200 million of estimated expenses in 1998, which allowed management to receive full annual bonuses. Had the expenses been recorded that year, no bonuses would have been paid, the report said.

In other words, he stole money from shareholders and put it in his own pocket.

In 2006 and 2007, he was a foreign agent for a former Prime Minister of Senegal.

Now, Mr. Johnson isn't exactly a practitioner of new politics. From his own biography:


From 1977 to 1981, Mr. Johnson was Executive Assistant to Vice President Walter F. Mondale, where he advised the Vice President on domestic and foreign policy and political matters. Earlier, he was employed by the Dayton Hudson Corporation, worked as a staff member in the U.S. Senate, and was on the faculty of Princeton University.

So one of Barack Obama's bundlers cheated shareholders out of money, represented foreign leaders, and was a Carter(!) administration official.

Just what America needs more of close to a President.
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Meet Jim Johnson, Obama bundler | SorenDayton.com
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Quote: Originally Posted by Kirk View Post
You are correct. If Michelle Obama had forged prescriptions in the names of her employees to buy drugs, Rush would go ballistic. But because Cindy McCain is white and blonde, she gets a free pass.
To be honest I don't think Rush would be busting anybody on a prescription drug addiction....Lmao
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