I think the Muslim religion sucks, but this...

Jesus christ there are some idiots here....

That's fine, you're entitled to your opinion. It is more common for women to be treated badly under Muslim law than any other religion. Just because other religions can treat women badly does not excuse the Muslims, as you seem to think it does. It's kind of amusing to see you bending over backwards to excuse a religion, seriously. I think this is a common failing amongst progressives...finding a pet religion and putting its right to exist over the right to exist of its victims.

So, did you actually read the book? If not, you ought to, I think you've missed her point by a mile.

Be my guest, Jeepers. Make your case to defend the religion.

OTOH, if Americans are stupid enough to sell what the Barrack is cooking, then this nation is in equally serious trouble.

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It isn't related in that I don't see any GOP anything saying shit. People with the same mentality who refuse to question anything about Obama and toss out the "swift-boating" crap (not directed at you) try to present Obama as a Muslim.

Why is it both sides have to present the fringe idiots on the other as the mainstream? Why is it the fringe idiots on both sides are the only ones that get media coverage? And why are THEY the ones everyone wants to believe?

So we can spend our time arguing about shit that not only isn't true, but doesn't matter, but keeps us hating each other. Heaven forbid we discuss a relevant issue that matters.

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If anyone has a pet religion, it's you. I'm not excusing any of them, I think they all suck equally and they all also have things that are good about them. Seeing as I think most humans are good, I think their religions, all of them, were intended for good and do accomplish some good though not enough to convince me they are worthwhile having.
You may think that the Koran advocates worse things than the Bible, (even though the Bible is in the Koran) and that all Muslims obey Sharia law ( if that were true, most of my Muslim friends would be in big trouble) but I think it's just your misplaced anger at the Catholic Church that makes you revile Islam. I wasn't even raised a Christian but as an American, Christianity has had a worse affect on my life than Islam. I'd venture to say it's the same for you.

No, I have not read her entire book but why would reading her book change my mind on whether I think one person's experience of Islam in Somalia makes them the expert on interpreting the Koran? Her father was a Muslim, a communist and opposed to female circumcision and he read the Koran too.

I'll take what Obama is cooking over what McCain's has in the oven.

Feel free.

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Going through security I held her for so long.
She finally looked at me in love, And she was gone.
Just a song before I go, A lesson to be learned.
Travelling twice the speed of sound It's easy to get burned.

Wait, how could Muslims be true Americans if, as you say, they all obey Sharia law and think the Koran is telling them government must be subject to Allah?

What religions, in your opinion, do not suck?

Thanks, I think I will. He's going to win, you know. Even people who don't particularly like him will vote for him because they can't stomach McCain's junk food.

He might. We'll see. Doesn't really matter. I won't vote for him. There are plenty who won't because they can't stomach the pure crap Obama's selling.

Just a matter of where you're POV comes from.

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Going through security I held her for so long.
She finally looked at me in love, And she was gone.
Just a song before I go, A lesson to be learned.
Travelling twice the speed of sound It's easy to get burned.

In point of fact, you are off base in your suggestion here.

Obama isn't avoiding muslims because he suffers from your diseased view of their religion. He's avoiding them because PEOPLE LIKE YOU ARE SUSCEPTIBLE TO SUCH A BELIEF.

Now does that cheapen his whole hope unity them? Yeah it sure does. (gunnyl did a obama supporter just show they aren't wearing cult googles?)

but realistically such prejudices are overcome with baby steps, and i'm willing to accept a realistic practical politician with democratic ideals over a principled but unelected martyr...

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I have no misplaced anger at the Catholic church. But thanks for projecting. One of the interesting things about Islam is that if you renounce it to become an atheist, in the eyes of Islam you are to be killed. I can't think of any Christian religion that advocates that.

This woman was from Somalia but she also lived in several other Arab countries and even in Holland the muslim women aren't free to do as they please...own property, wear what they wish, etc. (unless they basically renounce their religion and/or their families). Even here at the local muslim school the girls are segregated and taught to be subservient. Sweet.

So he's a racist or a coward? Is that what you mean?

How exactly is my view diseased, btw.

An hopefully an end to your feelings of inadaquacy that prompted you to gratuitously insult me for having the audacity to respond in a way you disapproved of too, right?


Yes, that is exactly what he is doing.

He is playing a defensive game on the Moslim front.

If you were his handler how would you have handled that event?