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Old 04-17-2011, 09:08 AM
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Sorry bout that,


1. Because they can.
2. Because they are greedy.
3. Because they are self serving bastards.
4. Because they fear no one.
5. Because our political parties are not addressing this.
6. Everyone is blind to it.
7. Just proves people are really much much more stupid than they will admit.
8. Read all about it *HERE*:


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Old 04-17-2011, 09:14 AM
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Two primary reasons both of them having to do with the SCOTUS.

1. They gave corporations the same rights as citizens

2. They decided that money = FREE SPEECH.

Those two anti-demoractic findings by the SCOTUS have scuttled the democracy part of this Republica and turned our governments into handmaidens for the extremely affluent.
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Two primary reasons both of them having to do with the SCOTUS.

1. They gave corporations the same rights as citizens

2. They decided that money = FREE SPEECH.

Those two anti-demoractic findings by the SCOTUS have scuttled the democracy part of this Republica and turned our governments into handmaidens for the extremely affluent.
So, make it illegal to receive any campaign contributions from anyone. No free Lear Jet rides. No funded fact finding vacations. Nada. Zip. That and the proposal by the OP should change things.
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If you want to see real government corruption you have to go overseas. Comparing american political corruption to that in places like Africa and the ME is like comparing a T-ball player to A-Rod.

At least our politicians have to hide it.
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Not so much as they used to hide it>

Before Citizens United, federal election law allowed a company like Koch Industries to talk to officers and shareholders about whom to vote for, but not to talk with employees about whom to vote for,” explains Paul M. Secunda, associate professor of law at Marquette University. But according to Secunda, who recently wrote in The Yale Law Journal Online about the effects of Citizens United on political coercion in the workplace, the decision knocked down those regulations. “Now, companies like Koch Industries are free to send out newsletters persuading their employees how to vote. They can even intimidate their employees into voting for their candidates.” Secunda adds, “It’s a very troubling situation.”

The Kochs were major supporters of the Citizens United case; they were also chief sponsors of the Tea Party and major backers of the anti-“Obamacare” campaign. Through their network of libertarian think tanks and policy institutes, they have been major drivers of unionbusting campaigns in Wisconsin, Michigan and elsewhere


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Not so much as they used to hide it>

Before Citizens United, federal election law allowed a company like Koch Industries to talk to officers and shareholders about whom to vote for, but not to talk with employees about whom to vote for,” explains Paul M. Secunda, associate professor of law at Marquette University. But according to Secunda, who recently wrote in The Yale Law Journal Online about the effects of Citizens United on political coercion in the workplace, the decision knocked down those regulations. “Now, companies like Koch Industries are free to send out newsletters persuading their employees how to vote. They can even intimidate their employees into voting for their candidates.” Secunda adds, “It’s a very troubling situation.”

The Kochs were major supporters of the Citizens United case; they were also chief sponsors of the Tea Party and major backers of the anti-“Obamacare” campaign. Through their network of libertarian think tanks and policy institutes, they have been major drivers of unionbusting campaigns in Wisconsin, Michigan and elsewhere


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So they basically got the same abilities unions have been using for decades? Terrible, terrible indeed.
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Not so much as they used to hide it>

Before Citizens United, federal election law allowed a company like Koch Industries to talk to officers and shareholders about whom to vote for, but not to talk with employees about whom to vote for,” explains Paul M. Secunda, associate professor of law at Marquette University. But according to Secunda, who recently wrote in The Yale Law Journal Online about the effects of Citizens United on political coercion in the workplace, the decision knocked down those regulations. “Now, companies like Koch Industries are free to send out newsletters persuading their employees how to vote. They can even intimidate their employees into voting for their candidates.” Secunda adds, “It’s a very troubling situation.”

The Kochs were major supporters of the Citizens United case; they were also chief sponsors of the Tea Party and major backers of the anti-“Obamacare” campaign. Through their network of libertarian think tanks and policy institutes, they have been major drivers of unionbusting campaigns in Wisconsin, Michigan and elsewhere

Big Brothers: Thought Control at Koch | The Nation
So they basically got the same abilities unions have been using for decades? Terrible, terrible indeed.
Many of us left and right agree that unions ALSO ought to be prevented from taking positions and supporting parties, too.

So yes I agree with you the outcome of allowing corporations (union corporations or otherwise) to insinuate themselves into the political scene is a terrible mistake for the American PEOPLE.

But allowing that DOES benefit BIG CAPITAL as we can se easily see if we look at what's been ahppening to our economy over the last five decades.
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Not so much as they used to hide it>

Before Citizens United, federal election law allowed a company like Koch Industries to talk to officers and shareholders about whom to vote for, but not to talk with employees about whom to vote for,” explains Paul M. Secunda, associate professor of law at Marquette University. But according to Secunda, who recently wrote in The Yale Law Journal Online about the effects of Citizens United on political coercion in the workplace, the decision knocked down those regulations. “Now, companies like Koch Industries are free to send out newsletters persuading their employees how to vote. They can even intimidate their employees into voting for their candidates.” Secunda adds, “It’s a very troubling situation.”

The Kochs were major supporters of the Citizens United case; they were also chief sponsors of the Tea Party and major backers of the anti-“Obamacare” campaign. Through their network of libertarian think tanks and policy institutes, they have been major drivers of unionbusting campaigns in Wisconsin, Michigan and elsewhere

Big Brothers: Thought Control at Koch | The Nation
So they basically got the same abilities unions have been using for decades? Terrible, terrible indeed.
Many of us left and right agree that unions ALSO ought to be prevented from taking positions and supporting parties, too.

So yes I agree with you the outcome of allowing corporations (union corporations or otherwise) to insinuate themselves into the political scene is a terrible mistake for the American PEOPLE.

But allowing that DOES benefit BIG CAPITAL as we can se easily see if we look at what's been ahppening to our economy over the last five decades.
The problem becomes that pesky first amendment.

"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances."

No where does it say "unless you decide to group up in a union, or as stockholders in a corporation, in that case, kindly shut the hell up." I just brought out the union thing as a balance example.

The reasons people want to limit corporate or union spending are understandable, but by being part of said organization you do not give up your rights listed above.

I know our process of funding needs to be fixed, but it has to be constitutionally valid, a tough problem to be sure.
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Two primary reasons both of them having to do with the SCOTUS.

1. They gave corporations the same rights as citizens

2. They decided that money = FREE SPEECH.

Those two anti-demoractic findings by the SCOTUS have scuttled the democracy part of this Republica and turned our governments into handmaidens for the extremely affluent.
Actually no the did not decide that money = Free speech. They Ruled that spending money to buy ads is Free speech. When you libs are ready to strip Democrat Special Interest Groups like the Unions, of their right to spend and buy ads. Then we can talk about doing the same to cooperation's. You know those big bad evil Cooperation's who are owned by Millions of American Stock Holders. Those ones.
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Depends on how you define corrupt. Many Americans like subsidies to oil companies and Health Care CEO's getting a hundred million dollars.
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"American government so corrupted". Neo-socialists and real socialists have been using that phrase or a similar phrase with better english for decades when they think they have a shot at political revolution. They tried in the 30's, the 60's and they think they have a really good shot today. It ain't true of course. America is the greatest system of government on the globe. We get to hire and fire congress people every two years and senators every six years and even the president every four years. If we get crooks from time to time it's up to us to fire them. God bless America.
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