The truth about civil rights

"The Republican Party was not so badly split as the Democrats by the civil rights issue. Only one Republican senator participated in the filibuster against the bill. In fact, since 1933, Republicans had a more positive record on civil rights than the Democrats. In the twenty-six major civil rights votes since 1933, a majority of Democrats opposed civil rights legislation in over 80 % of the votes. By contrast, the Republican majority favored civil rights in over 96 % of the votes."

http://www.congresslink.org/print_ba...ghts64text.htm

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And when a Democrat President signed the Civil Rights Bill...Southern Democrats abandoned their party in droves. Nixon and the RNC membership welcomed them with open arms.

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Once again explain the logic in why a racist would leave a party that only supported the Civil Rights bill by 60 percent for a party that supported the same bill by 80 percent?

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That is easily explained when one notices the location of said members who abandoned the Democrats and how many Republicans there were in the South prior to the Civil Rights bill.

Coupled with the concerted effort by the RNC and Richard Nixon to cultivate such Dixiecrats by the time 1968 rolled around.

But you knew this already....it's just a statistical flim flam attempt by the OP. And a RNC talking point.

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This is my favorite talking point! Not really.

It's really disengenious to try to make this into a partisan issue - it's a regional issue. The south voted against civil rights, across party lines. The north voted for civil rights, across party lines. Then, when a northern Democrat signed it into law, all the southern Democrats jumped parties. This is why the south to this day is more Republican.

Look up the Southern Strategy.

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The truth about Civil Rights was that it was not a Democrat/Republican issue it was a North/South issue. Since the "Solid South" was mostly Democrat there were more Democrats opposed. Southern Republicans also opposed Civil rights.

The truth also is that once Democratic President LBJ signed the legislation, Souther Democrats became todays Red State Republicans

And thats the truth

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Yes it is....but every once in a while, people like the OP and the Clerk will try to slip in their falsehoods, hoping no one is paying attention.

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Sure thing, we are to believe that racist got mad at their party that barely supported civil rights and joined the party that overwhelmingly supported civil rights. You guys crack me up.

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My neighbor believes civil rights is when we gave equal rights to blacks.
ONLY.
He is against gays voting much less receiving equal protection under the law.

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The Republicans under Nixon in 1968 overwhelmingly supported Civil Rights? Can you back that up, please?

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Isn't it sad, those people who have such a narrow view of what equal rights/civil rights are all about? (This group....but not that group, or that group, or that group)

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Southern Strategy:

Southern strategy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

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From 1948 to 1984 the Southern states, traditionally a stronghold for the Democrats, became key swing states, providing the popular vote margins in the 1960, 1968 and 1976 elections. During this era, several Republican candidates expressed support for states' rights, which some critics claim was a signal of opposition to federal enforcement of civil rights for blacks and intervention on their behalf, including passage of legislation to protect the franchise.[4]

Analysts such as Richard Johnston and Byron Shafer have argued that this phenomenon had more to do with the economics than it had to do with race.

In The End of Southern Exceptionalism, political scientists Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Shafer of the University of Wisconsin wrote that the Republicans' gains in the South corresponded to the growth of the upper middle class in that region.

They suggested that such individuals believed their economic interests were better served by the Republicans than the Democrats. According to Johnston and Shafer, working-class white voters in the South continued to vote for Democrats for national office until the 1990s. In summary, Shafer told The New York Times, "[whites] voted by their economic preferences, not racial preferences".

From wiki.

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Most Dixiecrats went back to being democrats

The gain of republican power in the south had little to do with race


Young southerners and northerners who moved south are responsible for the rise in republican popularity because of economics not race

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http://www.nytimes.com/2006/12/10/ma...ion2b.t-4.html

"Everyone knows that race has long played a decisive role in Southern electoral politics. From the end of Reconstruction until the beginning of the civil rights era, the story goes, the national Democratic Party made room for segregationist members — and as a result dominated the South. But in the 50s and 60s, Democrats embraced the civil rights movement, costing them the white Southern vote. Meanwhile, the Republican Party successfully wooed disaffected white racists with a “Southern strategy” that championed “states’ rights.”

It’s an easy story to believe, but this year two political scientists called it into question. In their book “The End of Southern Exceptionalism,” Richard Johnston of the University of Pennsylvania and Byron Shafer of the University of Wisconsin argue that the shift in the South from Democratic to Republican was overwhelmingly a question not of race but of economic growth.

In the postwar era, they note, the South transformed itself from a backward region to an engine of the national economy, giving rise to a sizable new wealthy suburban class.

This class, not surprisingly, began to vote for the party that best represented its economic interests: the G.O.P. Working-class whites, however — and here’s the surprise — even those in areas with large black populations, stayed loyal to the Democrats. (This was true until the 90s, when the nation as a whole turned rightward in Congressional voting.)

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