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Old 03-22-2006, 01:44 PM
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So what do you guys think about the US trying to extradite this guy? Something Canada doesn't even prosecute as a crime can get this guy life in prison in the good old US of A? If it is so dangerous and harmful why isn't Canada in complete collapse? Why do they have a budget surplus? Could it be that they don't waste their money enforcing one person's version of morality onto others? Could it be that pot makes you an independant thinker and our incredibly strong govt would be somehow threatened by it? Start asking questions. Are we really THAT afraid of a hippie pot smoker that we have to spend $50,000 a year, a teachers salary, to lock him up in a cage? Please take some time to consider our priorities on this issue. Teach your children your values, trust them to make decisions for themsleves and LIVE AND LET LIVE. Issues like this make me wonder if we are de-volving instead of evolving.
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Old 03-22-2006, 01:50 PM
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If a country gets into war against Germany and Japan for example they have to beat Germany and Japan and the war is over.

However if morons declare "War on Drugs" "War on Terrorism" and so on, they know these are wars that can't be won. This guarantees perpetual tax dollars for the "War" they are fighting. Follow those tax dollars and you will see why we have these "Wars".
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So what do you guys think about the US trying to extradite this guy? Something Canada doesn't even prosecute as a crime can get this guy life in prison in the good old US of A? If it is so dangerous and harmful why isn't Canada in complete collapse? Why do they have a budget surplus? Could it be that they don't waste their money enforcing one person's version of morality onto others? Could it be that pot makes you an independant thinker and our incredibly strong govt would be somehow threatened by it? Start asking questions. Are we really THAT afraid of a hippie pot smoker that we have to spend $50,000 a year, a teachers salary, to lock him up in a cage? Please take some time to consider our priorities on this issue. Teach your children your values, trust them to make decisions for themsleves and LIVE AND LET LIVE. Issues like this make me wonder if we are de-volving instead of evolving.
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If a country gets into war against Germany and Japan for example they have to beat Germany and Japan and the war is over.

However if morons declare "War on Drugs" "War on Terrorism" and so on, they know these are wars that can't be won. This guarantees perpetual tax dollars for the "War" they are fighting. Follow those tax dollars and you will see why we have these "Wars".
Yeah. And schools are a scam too "the war on ignorance" ,whatever. And the postal service too "The war on not being able to send letters". It's all a grand manipulation.
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Yeah. And schools are a scam too "the war on ignorance" ,whatever. And the postal service too "The war on not being able to send letters". It's all a grand manipulation.
OK, let's take the "War on Drugs" as an example. Can it be "won"? No, people will always use drugs. In Inuit territory where drugs and alcohol are not available they sniff gasoline. A certain percentage of the population are hardwired to get fucked up and they'll do anything, legal or illegal, to do that. You can never defeat them, you can just put a few in jail. A tiny percentage.

Anyway, how can there seriously be a "War on Drugs" going on when you can turn on the TV every day and see commercials telling you to go to the doctor and get a FREE trial prescription to Ambien? Viagra?
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Old 03-22-2006, 03:18 PM
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OK, let's take the "War on Drugs" as an example. Can it be "won"? No, people will always use drugs. In Inuit territory where drugs and alcohol are not available they sniff gasoline. A certain percentage of the population are hardwired to get fucked up and they'll do anything, legal or illegal, to do that. You can never defeat them, you can just put a few in jail. A tiny percentage.

Anyway, how can there seriously be a "War on Drugs" going on when you can turn on the TV every day and see commercials telling you to go to the doctor and get a FREE trial prescription to Ambien? Viagra?
There can seriously be a war on drugs because drugs are very damaging to individuals and society. They shouldn't be legal. WOuld more people try them if they were legal? YES. Maybe it shouldn't be called a "war" per se, but that's just a slogan. Get over it.
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There can seriously be a war on drugs because drugs are very damaging to individuals and society. They shouldn't be legal. WOuld more people try them if they were legal? YES. Maybe it shouldn't be called a "war" per se, but that's just a slogan. Get over it.
Why should I get over the butchery of the English language? I thought that's why we all hate rap music. It trivializes the word "War" when the government abuses it.

And drugs are no more damaging to society and individuals than alcohol, tobacco, fast food, sex, religion, cars, etc.

Or do you honestly think pot causes more problems in society than alcohol or tobacco?
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Why should I get over the butchery of the English language? I thought that's why we all hate rap music. It trivializes the word "War" when the government abuses it.

And drugs are no more damaging to society and individuals than alcohol, tobacco, fast food, sex, religion, cars, etc.

Or do you honestly think pot causes more problems in society than alcohol or tobacco?
So is this a language issue or a policy issue? Do you even know anymore?

No it doesn't cause more problems than those. I've smoked enough reefer kill a herd of elephants in my time, but I'm not gonna sit here and say it's good for me, or compare it to other bad habits.
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No it doesn't cause more problems than those.
Then why should pot be illegal and alcohol legal? Tobacco? To maintain a status quo?
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Then why should pot be illegal and alcohol legal? Tobacco? To maintain a status quo?
To piss off hippies.
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To piss off hippies.
There are other ways to piss off hippies. Burn Joni Mitchell albums. Wear bellbottoms with your suit. Say that Hillary is a "chick". Go into a vegetarian restaurant and order prime rib.
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The “war on drugs” is the biggest waste of money and man power that exists. IMO
It’s been ongoing for what, 35years or more? No change yet. People still use and grow it,.
they always will, moonshine anyone?

I would be fine with legalization of Marijuana. Regulate the use as we do alcohol and tobacco, and tax it. Odd that tobacco is regulated but you can grow it yourself if you want to, legally. Same with alcohol. Why do most choose to buy instead of grow, or brew? Maybe because it’s legal.

Personally, I think if Marijuana was legal we’d see a major decline in alcohol consumption.
Perhaps the liquor industry and their lobbyist know this to be true.
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The “war on drugs” is the biggest waste of money and man power that exists. IMO
It’s been ongoing for what, 35years or more? No change yet. People still use and grow it,.
they always will, moonshine anyone?

I would be fine with legalization of Marijuana. Regulate the use as we do alcohol and tobacco, and tax it. Odd that tobacco is regulated but you can grow it yourself if you want to, legally. Same with alcohol. Why do most choose to buy instead of grow, or brew? Maybe because it’s legal.

Personally, I think if Marijuana was legal we’d see a major decline in alcohol consumption.
Perhaps the liquor industry and their lobbyist know this to be true.
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The “war on drugs” is the biggest waste of money and man power that exists. IMO
It’s been ongoing for what, 35years or more? No change yet. .
But somehow they think this futile war was such a success that they started a new unwinnable "War against terrorism". That will be another interminable drain on public funds
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But we still should keep cocaine, opiates ,and meth, illegal.
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