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Question In Vast Jungle, U.S. Troops Aid in Search for Kony

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In Vast Jungle, U.S. Troops Aid in Search for Kony



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OBO, Central African Republic — It has got to be one of the oddest matchups in United States military history.

One hundred of America’s elite Special Operations troops, aided by night vision scopes and satellite imagery, are helping African forces find a wig-wearing, gibberish-speaking fugitive rebel commander named Joseph Kony who has been hiding out in the jungle for years with a band of child soldiers and a harem of dozens of child brides.

No one knows exactly where Mr. Kony is, but here in Obo, at a remote forward operating post in the Central African Republic, Green Berets pore over maps and interview villagers, hopeful for a clue.

Their biggest challenge, they say, is Mr. Kony’s turf, a vast expanse the size of California in the middle of Africa that is so rugged it renders much of the American gadgetry useless. Picture towering trees that blot out the sun, endless miles of elephant grass, and swirling brown rivers that coil like intestines and are infested with crocodiles; one of them recently ate a Ugandan member of the force.

“This is not going to be an easy slog,” said Ken Wright, a Navy SEAL captain and the commander of the joint American detachment assisting in the Kony hunt.

Still, in the past several months since they arrived, the Americans say Mr. Kony’s army of around 300 fighters is showing cracks. No longer is Mr. Kony able to direct the massacres he directed just a few years ago when his fighters waylaid entire towns and hacked hundreds of people to death. His armed acolytes are breaking up into small, desperate groups, American officials say, and for the first time they are abandoning many of the women and children they had abducted who cannot keep up as they flee deeper into the bush.

The Americans emphasize that they have no interest in participating in actual combat — “This is strictly an advise and assist role,” Captain Wright said, meant to strengthen the capabilities of African troops. Their deployment is emblematic of the Pentagon’s new military strategy for Africa, unfurled earlier this year, in which Pentagon officials say they will develop “innovative, low-cost, and small-footprint approaches to achieve our security objectives on the African continent.”

Already, American-paid contractors and intelligence agents are working quietly in Somalia. And small groups of American advisers have been training African armies for years, though it is not always clear how well this turns out. Just a few weeks ago, Mali’s democratic government was ousted in a coup led by none other than an American-trained army captain.
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Joseph Kony Hunt: Caesar Acellam, Top LRA Commander, Captured, Says Uganda Official

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KAMPALA, Uganda -- Ugandan forces captured a senior commander of Joseph Kony's Lord's Resistance Army after a brief fight with rebels near the Congo-Central African Republic border, an army official said Sunday, in what an analyst said was an "intelligence coup" for forces hunting for Kony.

Lt. Col. Abdul Rugumayo, intelligence chief for Uganda's military operation against the LRA, said Caesar Acellam was captured Saturday with two other rebel fighters as they tried to cross a river called Mbomu.

Although Acellam is not one of the LRA commanders indicted along with Kony in 2005 by the International Criminal Court, Ugandan officials say he was one of Kony's top military strategists and a reliable fighter.

"He is in good condition," Rugumayo said of Acellam. "He was captured with two other rebels. They were in a group of 30 rebels."

He said the others escaped.

Details of precisely how Acellam was captured were not available, but some analysts said it was possible he had just walked into the hands of Ugandan army officials.

"He's been on the defection shelf for a long time," said Angelo Izama, a political analyst with the Kampala-based security think tank Fanaka Kwawote. "This is a big intelligence coup for the Ugandan army."

A Ugandan army official, speaking on the condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak to the press, said losing Acellam was a big blow to Kony, whose forces have become increasingly degraded by a lack of food and having to constantly move to elude capture.
Joseph Kony Hunt: Caesar Acellam, Top LRA Commander, Captured, Says Uganda Official
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Anything which is done to stop Kony is a good thing, and I'm delighted if US troops are taking a more active role.

Removing him from the face of the map would be a real boost for morale in several countries.
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Anything which is done to stop Kony is a good thing, and I'm delighted if US troops are taking a more active role.

Removing him from the face of the map would be a real boost for morale in several countries.
Kony should have been hit by a cruise missile decades ago.
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He should, indeed! It couldn't happen to a nicer guy!

There's a good book about him, btw, called 'Wizard of the Nile' - well worth a read.
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Kony's been dead for about 5 years.

But that's OK, he's the new OBL right? Now America can spend Trillions more chasing his ghost around Africa in the name of "Freedom" when it's really all just for Empire. Just like in the Middle East.

But then after 5 or 10 years (however long the Military wants to play) a Special Forces raid will kill him and he'll be "buried at sea" in accordance with African custom. There'll be no pictures of course but that won't stop Hollywood from filming the blockbuster, All Star Hollywood cast movie about it.

And Americans will eat it up, just like they do with everything else.
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Kony's been dead for about 5 years.
Right. And you know this...how, exactly?
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How you figure Kony has been dead?
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I'm not saying it. Ugandans are saying it.

Kony: Ugandan Says He’s Already Dead | WebProNews

What was this:



Is now this:



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Mad Scientist -

Not 'Ugandans', but a 'Ugandan' are saying it.

So ONE person says this - and you present it as a solid fact. You KNOW it.
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Mad Scientist -

Not 'Ugandans', but a 'Ugandan' are saying it.

So ONE person says this - and you present it as a solid fact. You KNOW it.
Again, Ugandans have been saying it and are saying it:
Joseph Kony: Ugandans Flay ?Kony 2012? Campaign, Say the Video is ?Totally Wrong? - International Business Times
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"There has not been a single soul from the LRA (KONY) here since 2006. Now we have peace, people are back in their homes, they are planting their fields, and they are starting their businesses. That is what people should help us with."
See, if Americans were smart, they'd see that this is just a relaunch of the "Saddam Hussein harbors Terrorists" scam that they fell for after 9/11.

It's an excuse to send even more troops into Africa for more Empire.

(I'll wait for you to claim there are no US troops in Africa)
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Mad Scientist -

Of course there are American troops in Africa - what on earth are you talking about?

Will you be presenting any real evidence of Kony's death, btw?
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Quote: Originally Posted by Saigon View Post
Mad Scientist -

Of course there are American troops in Africa - what on earth are you talking about?

Will you be presenting any real evidence of Kony's death, btw?
You lookin' for an autopsy report? A Death Certificate?

Ugandans say:
1. He's Dead.
or
2. He hasn't been around for at least 5 years.

So I can either believe that he's dead or just not around meaning, not effective. So there's no need for US Troops in Africa.


Please present evidence that he's still alive and conducting operations.
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Mad S -

Most Ugandan media don't claim he is dead. We know he isn't in Uganda, and media in CAR still think he is probably alive.

Certainly, he could be dead - I just see no evidence to suggest that he is.

It's great US troops are there, and even if he is dead, any pressure placed on the remaining LRA is worthwhile.
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Mad S -

Most Ugandan media don't claim he is dead. We know he isn't in Uganda, and media in CAR still think he is probably alive.

Certainly, he could be dead - I just see no evidence to suggest that he is.

It's great US troops are there, and even if he is dead, any pressure placed on the remaining LRA is worthwhile.
Most? So Ugandan FoxNews says he's dead, Ugandan MSNBC says he's still alive? You mean like that?

Either way Ugandan Forces are doing that just fine by themselves:
Ugandan forces capture Kony's top LRA commander | World news | guardian.co.uk

Interesting Fact: Uganda is just south of Sudan (which was recently split into Oil Sudan and Non-Oil Sudan). Would make the perfect staging base for US operations into Oil Sudan right?

Oh, but that's just a "Conspiracy Theory".
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