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07-20-2009, 01:19 PM
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Quote: Originally Posted by strollingbones as we sit on our asses ...running our mouths...bickering....this is the real world:
Video: Captive soldier fears he won't get home
WASHINGTON – The American soldier who went missing June 30 from his base in eastern Afghanistan and was later confirmed to have been captured, said in a video posted by the Taliban that he's "scared I won't be able to go home."
Two U.S. defense officials confirmed to The Associated Press that the man in the video posted Saturday on the Internet is the captured soldier, but the Defense Department has not released his name. The video provided the first glimpse the public has had of the missing soldier.
The soldier is shown in the 28-minute video with his head shaved and the start of a beard. He is sitting and dressed in a nondescript, gray outfit. Early in the video one of his captors holds the soldier's dog tag up to the camera. His name and ID number are clearly visible. He is shown eating at one point and sitting cross-legged. Video: Captive soldier fears he won't get home - Yahoo! News
may fate and her muses be kind. i sure the hell hope this young man is recovered..if not ....rain hell upon those who harm him. Do you ever think about the humans on the other side? Imagine:
Oh. He will probably be held for an indefinite length of time – perhaps for several years. He might get humiliated, bullied, and water boarded for information. I wonder if you would wish that hell rain upon America for instances in which we harmed people that we picked up from Afghanistan. Those people that have been kept for years at Guantánamo Bay Detention Camp without a trial have family and friends – just as this soldier does.
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Quote: Originally Posted by mattskramer Do you ever think about the humans on the other side? Imagine:
Oh. He will probably be held for an indefinite length of time – perhaps for several years. He might get humiliated, bullied, and water boarded for information. I wonder if you would wish that hell rain upon America for instances in which we harmed people that we picked up from Afghanistan. Those people that have been kept for years at Guantánamo Bay Detention Camp without a trial have family and friends – just as this soldier does. I am unfamiliar with your posts; is this meant as a joke?
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Quote: Originally Posted by rhodescholar
Quote: Originally Posted by mattskramer Do you ever think about the humans on the other side? Imagine:
Oh. He will probably be held for an indefinite length of time – perhaps for several years. He might get humiliated, bullied, and water boarded for information. I wonder if you would wish that hell rain upon America for instances in which we harmed people that we picked up from Afghanistan. Those people that have been kept for years at Guantánamo Bay Detention Camp without a trial have family and friends – just as this soldier does. I am unfamiliar with your posts; is this meant as a joke? I just hope that there is no objection if the captured invader is held for years and years and years and is water boarded again and again and again. If we can do it to them then isn’t it fair that they do it to us.
Beyond that, I grant you the fact that they have decapitated prisoners. Yet, we invade and sometimes kill innocent people in the process.
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Quote: Originally Posted by sarahgop mr peters, retired from the military was on fox news and he said the soldier deserted. he also said if he did desert then the taliban could save us alot of time and effort by killing him. Quote: The circumstances of Bergdahl’s capture weren’t clear.
On July 2, two U.S. officials told the AP the soldier had “just walked off” his base with three Afghans after his shift. He had no body armor or weapon and they said they had no explanation for why he left. The officials spoke on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the case.
On July 6, the Taliban claimed on their Web site that five days earlier “a drunken American soldier had come out of his garrison” and was captured by mujahadeen.
In the video, Pfc. Bergdahl said he was lagging behind a patrol when he was captured.
Details of such incidents are routinely held very tightly by the military as it works to retrieve a missing or captured soldier without giving away any information to captors. Michelle Malkin » Questions about the reported abduction of Pfc. Bowe Bergdahl; Update: Reports of desertion mounting
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Rep Power: 49 | | | The Haqqani's got him. That means he's in big fucking trouble.
I fear for the worst, and I feel for his family.
Incidently, other than conducting an AAR to prevent it from happening again, does it really fucking matter how this young soldier got captured?
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Rep Power: 254 | | | I'm sorry to say this, but it appals me to see the political bickering going on in this thread when we should all be taking a step back and thinking more about what this young lad must be going through and the dreadful impact it must have on his family...and indeed, his brothers in arms.
Please shut the fuck up with the politics and have some respect.
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Quote: Originally Posted by Barb Rain hell indeed, and I think that needs to start at home regarding the Lt. Col. that showed his ass on FOX news speculating about how that young man became a POW and how the Taliban could save the US some time and trouble: Fox Analyst Suggests That Captured American Soldier Should Be Killed by Captors « JONATHAN TURLEY
I've never seen such disgraceful behavior in my adult life, not ever. That Lt. Col. should be hung by his gonads. He's despicable. If I were that young man's family, I would certainly invite that pompous blowhard so-called "military expert" to some dark alley somewhere, and I would make it my life's work to ensure that hell would indeed rain down on him for his despicable comments.
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Quote: Originally Posted by asgardshill
Quote: Originally Posted by Barb Rain hell indeed, and I think that needs to start at home regarding the Lt. Col. that showed his ass on FOX news speculating about how that young man became a POW and how the Taliban could save the US some time and trouble: Fox Analyst Suggests That Captured American Soldier Should Be Killed by Captors « JONATHAN TURLEY
I've never seen such disgraceful behavior in my adult life, not ever. That Lt. Col. should be hung by his gonads. He's despicable. If I were that young man's family, I would certainly invite that pompous blowhard so-called "military expert" to some dark alley somewhere, and I would make it my life's work to ensure that hell would indeed rain down on him for his despicable comments.
Whether the soldier was a deserter or not is not a call that Fox News gets to make. That's up to lawfully appointed authority, not the enemy, some addled old publicity-hungry coot, and certainly not Fox News. Bastards.  That LTC is a fucking asshole.
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Quote: Originally Posted by strollingbones A Fatwa
Treatment of prisoners-of-war in Islam
How are prisoners of war treated in Islam?
Praise be to Allaah.
Islam is the religion of mercy and justice; it commands us to call others to the religion of Allaah in a kind and good manner, and to encourage people to enter this great religion. If some people persist in rejecting the religion of Allaah and stand in the way of ruling by that which Allaah has revealed on earth, or they fight against the call to Allaah, then we give them the choice of three things:
Either they become Muslim; or if they refuse they pay the jizyah (whereby they pay a specified amount to the Muslims in return for being allowed to remain their land, and the Muslims undertake to protect them); or, if they refuse that, there is nothing left but the way which they themselves have chosen,
which is fighting and dealing violently with those who have persecuted the Muslims and put obstacles in the path of the Islamic da’wah.
In this way the Muslims will gain the upper hand and the enemies will be humiliated; then when we have killed and wounded many of them and gained the upper hand over them, we may take prisoners and bind a bond firmly on them [cf. Muhammad 47:4], because in that case it is more in tune with the idea of mercy by choice (not because we are afraid of them); at that point war should not continue any longer than is necessary. War in Islam should not be waged for the sole purpose of shedding blood or seeking vengeance. If the Muslims capture them and take them to a place that has been prepared for them, they should not harm them or torture them with beatings, depriving them of food and water, leaving them out in the sun or the cold, burning them with fire, or putting covers over their mouths, ears and eyes and putting them in cages like animals. Rather they should treat them with kindness and mercy, feed them well and encourage them to enter Islam. This is what people are ignoring, the above is what matters to the taliban. What matters to me is that this young man does not recieve the same brutal fate as many others that did not come to the conclusion that allah is the way
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Quote: Originally Posted by mattskramer
Quote: Originally Posted by rhodescholar
Quote: Originally Posted by mattskramer Do you ever think about the humans on the other side? Imagine:
Oh. He will probably be held for an indefinite length of time – perhaps for several years. He might get humiliated, bullied, and water boarded for information. I wonder if you would wish that hell rain upon America for instances in which we harmed people that we picked up from Afghanistan. Those people that have been kept for years at Guantánamo Bay Detention Camp without a trial have family and friends – just as this soldier does. I am unfamiliar with your posts; is this meant as a joke? I just hope that there is no objection if the captured invader is held for years and years and years and is water boarded again and again and again. If we can do it to them then isn’t it fair that they do it to us.
Beyond that, I grant you the fact that they have decapitated prisoners. Yet, we invade and sometimes kill innocent people in the process. They hide behind innocent people. We don't. They kidnap civilians and butcher them. We don't.
I love the assholes who equate what we do with what criminals do.
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Quote: Originally Posted by PixieStix
Quote: Originally Posted by Mr.Fitnah
Quote: Originally Posted by strollingbones A Fatwa
Treatment of prisoners-of-war in Islam
How are prisoners of war treated in Islam?
Praise be to Allaah.
Islam is the religion of mercy and justice; it commands us to call others to the religion of Allaah in a kind and good manner, and to encourage people to enter this great religion. If some people persist in rejecting the religion of Allaah and stand in the way of ruling by that which Allaah has revealed on earth, or they fight against the call to Allaah, then we give them the choice of three things:
Either they become Muslim; or if they refuse they pay the jizyah (whereby they pay a specified amount to the Muslims in return for being allowed to remain their land, and the Muslims undertake to protect them); or, if they refuse that, there is nothing left but the way which they themselves have chosen,
which is fighting and dealing violently with those who have persecuted the Muslims and put obstacles in the path of the Islamic da’wah.
In this way the Muslims will gain the upper hand and the enemies will be humiliated; then when we have killed and wounded many of them and gained the upper hand over them, we may take prisoners and bind a bond firmly on them [cf. Muhammad 47:4], because in that case it is more in tune with the idea of mercy by choice (not because we are afraid of them); at that point war should not continue any longer than is necessary. War in Islam should not be waged for the sole purpose of shedding blood or seeking vengeance. If the Muslims capture them and take them to a place that has been prepared for them, they should not harm them or torture them with beatings, depriving them of food and water, leaving them out in the sun or the cold, burning them with fire, or putting covers over their mouths, ears and eyes and putting them in cages like animals. Rather they should treat them with kindness and mercy, feed them well and encourage them to enter Islam. This is what people are ignoring, the above is what matters to the taliban. What matters to me is that this young man does not recieve the same brutal fate as many others that did not come to the conclusion that allah is the way Not for nothing:
from the December 27, 2006 edition
"[...] The US armed services don't recruit by religion, but the Pentagon estimates at least 3,386 Muslims were serving in the US military as of September. No precise figures are available because, while US service members are surveyed on their religion, they aren't required to disclose it. Advocacy groups put the number at 15,000, saying many are reluctant to reveal their religion. African-Americans represent the largest share of Muslims in uniform, they add.[...]" Uncle Sam wants US Muslims to serve | csmonitor.com
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Quote: Originally Posted by AllieBaba
Quote: Originally Posted by mattskramer
Quote: Originally Posted by rhodescholar
I am unfamiliar with your posts; is this meant as a joke? I just hope that there is no objection if the captured invader is held for years and years and years and is water boarded again and again and again. If we can do it to them then isn’t it fair that they do it to us.
Beyond that, I grant you the fact that they have decapitated prisoners. Yet, we invade and sometimes kill innocent people in the process. They hide behind innocent people. We don't. They kidnap civilians and butcher them. We don't.
I love the assholes who equate what we do with what criminals do. We have committed our share of sins too. Unlike you, I won’t resort to name-calling. What a fine Christian example you present.
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