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Old 07-10-2008, 09:05 AM
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Originally Posted by busara View Post
but thats the problem. people are being rewarded unfairly for their efforts. is a CEO getting a huge bonus even when their company loses money fair? did they really earn it?
are you saying someone who is working 2 fulltime jobs and living out of an expensive hotel room because there is no affordable housing isnt trying to get ahead? can that person get loans for college to further their education to get a higher paying job? or that they will have no problem getting a loan to start a business? oh thats right, it's their own fault for being there and not earning enough. they had a choice.

like it or not, certain people ARE limited in what they can accomplish. im not talking about making this a socialistic society. im simply stating that there are disparities in our current system, and they arent all the result of personal choices

And let me guess... it is up to you and every other leftist to decide what is fair??.... sounds like the whiney professors/self-appointed know-it-alls complaining that they do not earn as much as people working in the real world

No.... it is up to the market.. your skills.... your projection of yourself.... your accomplishments... your decisions... etc.... to see how much compensation you can get for your services....

All people are created equal in terms of their rights and basic genetic structure... not everyone is going to have the genes of Michael Jordan or the intellect of Stephen Freaking Hawking.... but it is not up to government to say "awwwwwww.... poor baby" and make it up to you....

If you want success... you and every other citizen has the right to strive for it and achieve it... just as you have the right to sit on your lazy ass and wallow in your own filth for achieving nothing

I clawed my way up from NOTHING.... collecting cans with my grandmother for meat money to be able to have meat once or twice a week.... gardening about 90% of our yard... canning, freezing whatever we could.... working 39 hours a week at age 16 because the law said I could not work 40... using that $ to supplement my grandmother's earnings... working 2 jobs (food service by day and playing in a band at night) until I was 22.... realized that this would go nowhere and made the CHOICE to better myself... put the effort in and served my country in the military for 5 years... took advantage of my training, learned everything I could on and off the job.... got married, had a kid, and left the service... worked 2 jobs at a time... all the overtime I could get... learned even more... did what I have to do... and now I make more than about 95% of the others in this great country... because I MADE IT HAPPEN... not because I thought it was OWED to me... or that life was unfair... I made it by my own freaking efforts, because I was given the freedom to do so... and if my decisions would have been wrong instead of right, I would have had to live with the consequences of those decisions.... why??? because that is the price of freedom.... freedom is not just the freedom to get what you want because you want it... freedom is the opportunity to make of yourself what you want, by your own hand
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