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Old 06-14-2008, 07:13 PM
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Without the US, there would be no France.

To be sure!

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Debt repaid twice over.
Yes, and the French people know that just as well as you or I do.


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You could take your argument one step further and say there would be no US at all without Europe since the original settlers were mostly European.
I could, but since the question is the relations between France and the USA, why bother?

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We've taken France away from Germany twice and given it back, as well as liberated most of Western Europe
True again.

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and we were the line of defense for 4-something-years against communist aggression.
The French might disagree with that somewhat. that is exactly why they developed their own nuclear arsenal. But I get your point. France and the USA, despite our policy differences were BOTH allied against Soviet aggression.

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Then there was that debacle in Vietnam France handed off to us.
We did not HAVE to take it.

But if you complaint is that France was WRONG to try to take back View Nam, I am in total ageement with you.

And, let's chasten France just a bit more for that mistake, too, shall we?

They were TOTALLY wrong to try to reimpose their lost empire in SE ASIA, and the USA told them NOT to do it. They basically held out before joining NATO to force us to stop objecting to their stupid policy of retaking Viet Nam.

They should have let HO take over that nation, and the USA should have become his ally, just as he asked of us during WWII.

Why on earth we then decided to jump into that briar patch after the French got their asses kicked by Ho, I'll never understand.

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Tis not a one-sided affair.

I'm not so sure it's Francophiles so much as Chirac-ophiles. He went beyond being pro-France and was outspokenly anti-US.
Agreed.


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The Euro's that are anti-American can go pound sand as far as I'm concerned;
I'll second that emotion, too.

But complaining about our stupid policies is NOT anti-americanism as such.

I complain about some of our foreign policies often enough, and that does not make me anti-American, either.
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