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Old 06-14-2008, 01:00 PM
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Originally Posted by editec View Post
Without FRANCE there would be NO United STATES of America.

Britian invaded this nation twice, folks. Hell! they burnt down our capital in the war of 1812.

I have frankly never understood why America is so full of Francophobes and so full of Anglophiles.

Not that I hate England or the English, especially, but I feel a great affection for the people of France, too.

Likewise, FYI, other nations which worked their magic to help the colonies throw off the yoke of BRITISH OPPRESSION?

Spain, the Netherlands, Imperial Russia, various of the Italian states, various of the GERMAN states, too. All contributed money clandestinely to support our war of independence.

Without that clandestine assistance from many EUROPEAN nations, it is arguable, we would STILL be a colony of Britian (or something like Canada has become).

France refuses to be a puppet to American interests.

They decided to create their own nuclear umbrella, and they partially pulled out of the NATO defence alliance in the mid 1950s.

American government seems to have never forgiven them for NOT accepting the fact that they were also-rans in the AMERICAN hegemony game, post WWII.

That is the only explanation which makes sense to me for why the USA and France don't get along so well.
Without the US, there would be no France. Debt repaid twice over. You could take your argument one step further and say there would be no US at all without Europe since the original settlers were mostly European.

We've taken France away from Germany twice and given it back, as well as liberated most of Western Europe and we were the line of defense for 4-something-years against communist aggression. Then there was that debacle in Vietnam France handed off to us.

Tis not a one-sided affair.

I'm not so sure it's Francophiles so much as Chirac-ophiles. He went beyond being pro-France and was outspokenly anti-US. The Euro's that are anti-American can go pound sand as far as I'm concerned; whether that be individually or collectively.
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