View Single Post
  #22 (permalink)  
Old 04-26-2009, 08:51 AM
Bullypulpit's Avatar
Bullypulpit Bullypulpit is offline
Registered User
Member #623
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location: Columbus, OH
Posts: 5,849
Thanks: 3
Thanked 17 Times in 10 Posts
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Rep Power: 29
Bullypulpit could own USMB Bullypulpit could own USMB Bullypulpit could own USMB Bullypulpit could own USMB Bullypulpit could own USMB Bullypulpit could own USMB
Quote: Originally Posted by Skull Pilot View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Bullypulpit View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Skull Pilot View Post

refute what? some UN "resolution" like that holds any weight?

There have been multiple posts with links saying that the interrogation techniques used at Gitmo resulted in credible information. The NYT article described all the techniques used at Gitmo. I do not consider them torture, you do.

It seems that you are fond of an expanded definition that includes "mental pain" as if that can somehow be quantified, where a mere threat of violence is considered torture.

As I said before, mere incarceration can then be seen as torture because of the mental pain it causes.

So this is Bully Pulls It's idea of an interrogation

BULLYPULLSIT: Tell me where you are storing your dirty bomb materials.

TERRORIST: No

BULLYPULLSIT: Thank you for your cooperation. You are free to go.
Guess what numbnuts...? The UN Convention Against Torture is NOT a resolution. It is a treaty to which teh US is a signatory. As such, the Constitution gives it the full weight and force of US law. Get over it. And speaking of US law, I'm thinking you're looking at Title 18, Chapter 113C of the US code as some meaningless bit of fluff. As for your links, they're op-ed pieces which present nothing in the way of verifiable evidence that "actionable intel" was obtained through torture. They have only say-so of the Bush administration and its apologists.

Dismissed.
Only because Obama won't declassify the entirety of the documents. Gee I wonder why he won't.

And is Obama's own man a Bush apologist?

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/22/us...lair.html?_r=1

Quote:
WASHINGTON – President Obama’s national intelligence director told colleagues in a private memo last week that the harsh interrogation techniques banned by the White House did produce significant information that helped the nation in its struggle with terrorists.

“High value information came from interrogations in which those methods were used and provided a deeper understanding of the al Qa’ida organization that was attacking this country,” Adm. Dennis C. Blair, the intelligence director, wrote in a memo to his staff last Thursday.

Admiral Blair’s assessment that the interrogation methods did produce important information was deleted from a condensed version of his memo released to the media last Thursday. Also deleted was a line in which he empathized with his predecessors who originally approved some of the harsh tactics after the attacks of Sept. 11, 2001.
dismissed.

Quote:
When CIA officials subjected their first high-value captive, Abu Zubaida, to waterboarding and other harsh interrogation methods, they were convinced that they had in their custody an al-Qaeda leader who knew details of operations yet to be unleashed, and they were facing increasing pressure from the White House to get those secrets out of him. - Washington Post
And, there's this...


You lose...again.
__________________
Who would Jesus torture?

"Those who can make you believe absurdities can make you commit attrocities." - Voltaire

No protracted war can fail to endanger the freedom of a democratic country. - Alexis De Tocqueville

I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. - Mohandas Gandhi

"When fascism comes to America, it will be wrapped in the flag and carrying a cross" - Sinclair Lewis

"All, too, will bear in mind this sacred principle, that though the will of the majority is in all cases to prevail, that will to be rightful must be reasonable; that the minority possess their equal rights, which equal law must protect, and to violate would be oppression" - Thomas Jefferson.
Reply With Quote